This week I talk with Stephen Allred who's been on an interesting Adventist journey. A graduate of the self-supporting Heartland College, he then got his M.Div. from Andrews University and worked on the same pastoral staff as Doug Batchelor. In 2012 he received his JD from the University of the Pacific McGeorge School of Law and now works on religious liberty cases for the Pacific Union's Church State Council. In this episode we talk about racism, social justice, Ellen White as well as some of the tensions surrounding Adventist displays of patriotism and and church/state separation.